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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 23, 2019 13:41:16 GMT
Spoilers for Freedom March ahead...
Markus has had a lot on his mind.
Have I been misled? What kind of trap did I fall into? I think back to the events of Capitol Park and I see North's influence. No, that's a cop out... I see my rage, my anger. My unrequited feelings over Carl's death and my disposal, like a piece of trash. I remember the hell I was dumped into, not even important enough to be taken as evidence. Just garbage. Capitol Park was my idea.
But now what? Now I've given these people hope; hope of freedom. Hope of nationhood. Can that be achieved without violence? Oh Carl, what have I gotten myself in to? I need to think. I spot a nearby piano (and didn't realize until later there was probably a book) so I play a halting but beautiful piece as I ponder my next step; do I shift gears to a more peaceful approach or take the steps necessary to free my people?
I am literally a man on a ledge when North finds me. She had been searching. There is no doubt; (like so many toxic relationships I've been in) she brings out the worst in me, but when we're together, fucking shit up, it just feels... right. I know it's wrong, but a lot of shit is wrong. They say two wrongs don't make a right but what if what I've been taught is right is actually wrong? "I needed to think," I tell her. "I like it here, " she says, "... it's like being alone with the world." She keeps talking... the next picture sums up my feelings:
The weight of the world is on Markus. I wax philosophical about how they count on me to show them the way. "If only they knew how lost I am." 'The humans fear a civil war,' North goes on, 'they hate us. They'll never give us our freedom.' "It's too late to go back now," Markus replies, fatalistically, "we have to finish what we started and just hope that reason prevails."
North shifts topics and asks about my past. I tell her the truth, that I was caring for an old man who was like a father to me. That he showed me that humans and androids can live together peacefully. One good turn deserves another, I inquire about North's past.
She doesn't want to talk about it, but I tell her that we will be fighting beside each other; I need to know certain things about her in order to trust her. She hesitates, but I approach with understanding. "We all have something we want to forget, but you need to know where you come from to know who you are." "I was nothing, she relents, "a doll in a distributor programmed to satisfy humans... just a toy designed for their pleasure."
So she was a murderous Traci. Just like Red she snapped on a john and strangled him. She immediately regrets telling me, so I bust out with some Avatar/Alien Nation genitalless sex.
The connection allows us to share memories. North now knows Carl, she felt what it was like to be abandoned like trash. And I, I was in the Eden Club. I strangled that man with her. Now, we are lovers. Now we are truly in this together. I realize, at this point, she will be with me until the end, no matter what I decide. (I also develop a sincere concern that she will die. I mean, as a writer, I'd kill her to help Markus grow... just saying.)
After this uniquely shared experience North does the girlish thing and runs away. (Can you convert a human to android, because that's what she's like. No android should react the way she does.)
In our next scene Markus has made his decision; an open march and the theft of tens of thousands in merchandise as he frees androids from the confines of their programming. North is hesitant, she believes they will all be killed. Josh, the pacifist, feels like death is a worthwhile goal if it means freedom for our people. (Who says death will be the price for anything?) But Markus, emerging from his confliction, has decided. We will make them see us.
What follows is an extended sequence of Markus stealing androids and exploiting them for his own purposes. What? That's what I'm doing! Every android I free follows my commands. I am less of an emancipator and more of an emperor. As we march and thieve we grow, I command the streets to be shut down and it is done. I intimidate owners. "You don't have to obey them," I tell them, 'but you will obey me,' is left unspoken. My range and power grows, I don't have to touch them anymore, all I need to do is beckon and they hurry to obey. It becomes intoxicating.
We encounter a police officer. He commands us to raise our hands so we do. This is us. Here we are. Go on, shoot if you can. He relents, calls for backup, and we continue. With over 225 in our ranks we begin to chant, that time-honored American tradition of annoying people into doing what we want them to do. In the fastest dispatch in recorded history 3 more units arrive, 3 armored vehicles full of riot police, and a SWAT helicopter... all within 20 seconds of the call. (Man, what great advances!)
Markus insists this is a peaceful march, intending to show that we are alive. I state that we just want to live free. This is what Carl would consider bravery, standing out in the open. Being who I am. Having the courage to imagine something that has never been... and then make it a reality.
The authorities, however, are having none of it. "We are not here for confrontation," Markus says, despite confronting humans and stealing their property, "we have done no harm. We have no intention of doing any." Maybe adding 'more' is a good start, because the theft of hundreds of treasured human family droids is kinda harmful. "Know that we are not going anywhere until we have secured our freedom."
Yeah, maybe ultimatums to SWAT teams isn't the best...
"Markus, they're going to kill us!" North worries. In my heart, I know she's right. She urges me to attack, we outnumber them. My thoughts drift back to Capitol Park. We tried violence, maybe now we should try peace. Then Josh opens his mouth, yammering about war and the great value of dying here. I'm conflicted again. Then Simon chimes in; "Dying here won't solve anything, we need to go... now." They give us a last chance; leave or die. I hesitate a moment; attack or leave (because fuck Josh) and, in the end, I hold up my hands. "Don't shoot, we're leaving."
The captain receives orders... and relays them. They are going to fire. I yell for all the Jerichoids to run but they cut into us. Droids fall as we run, fleeing the human onslaught. Jericho's trust in me falls, North's trust in me falls.
I let everybody down.
I got my people killed... for what? For a political statement? For hope? Hope is what people have when they do not have the will to make their own reality.
"Try to imagine something that does not exist, something you've never seen. Now concentrate on how it makes you feel...
... and let your hand drift across the canvas."
It's funny how the game seems to be guiding my feelings on this. I was dead set on violent revolution when I encountered those cops in Capitol Park, and thinking of Carl stayed my hand. So this time I tried peace, and it led to disaster. Isn't it funny how Carl's words come back to me now? I think back to Markus' painting:
At the time I just thought it was a cool painting, but now I see foreshadowing and prediction. At any rate, it's impressive how the game seems to predict my waffling path and adapts to it so well. Markus' story remains my favorite. I enjoy his and Connor's, in fact. Kara's is more of a diversion, at this point.
I think I'm done waffling with Markus. This episode has helped set the bone.
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Post by endorbr on Jul 23, 2019 13:54:40 GMT
Incoming murderous robot rampage in 3...2...
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 23, 2019 17:01:24 GMT
Spoilers for Last Chance, Connor ahead...
Ominous title, eh? I start off in the frozen Cyberlife Garden, which I am now certain is the program where Connor makes his reports to the AI Amanda. It's all frozen and I can see her waiting on the lake. Since this may be the last time I amble around and explore, stopping by my graves. Connor, if you recall, just had a nasty breakup with Hank, the only deviance in his program. Now that the concern of friendship isn't there to cloud his mind, 3.0 is back to Connor-as-intended.
Amanda expresses grave concern about the android uprising and says that humans have no choice but to destroy them. I bring up the disappointment that is Kamski. She thinks he still knows something. I bring up Amanda's picture, she confirms that Kamski designed her to be familiar. I ask if he designed this place, she says he did but wonders why I ask. Then I go direct: "You didn't tell me everything you know about Deviants, did you?" "I expect you to find answers, Connor, not ask questions!" she snaps at me.
She begins to give me the 3rd degree to see if I am becoming deviant. Any unusual thoughts? Nah. Doubts? Nada. Conflicts? Not at all. Do I feel anything for these deviants? Nope! I'm good. Lieutenant Anderson? I pause. I pause a long time. Yes, I admit. I've started having thoughts that are not part of my program. "I've considered the probability that I might be compromised," my thoughts on Hank and our tumultuous relationship. This part is true, I once considered Hank such a friend that I disobeyed my directive in order to save his life. In fact I even sacrificed my own to protect him, and yet... our last encounter disappointed me so much that I now view him as a hindrance.
Amanda downplays this. 'You've faced troubles,' she says reassuringly, 'that doesn't make you a deviant.' It's an affirmation of what I feel. In fact, I feel like the deviance that Hank's friendship caused is one of the biggest reasons I have failed in my purpose.
I snap back to Cap'n Tropey's office for another troperiffic scene of "You're off the case!" Seems the FBI and the Feds are taking over now that there's a "civil war." (Not yet, there's not.) Hank is back on homicide and I am slated to be sent back to Cyberlife. I follow Hank back to his desk and I try. I try to rekindle that old flame. I run the Frustrated.exe and ape the attitude of a flustered cop.
Hank begins to show what seems like concern. "So you'll go back to Cyberlife?" he asks. I don't have a choice, I tell him. I'll be deactivated and analyzed to find out why I failed. Hank wonders if we are on the wrong side. "What if we're fighting against people who just want to be free?"
For at least the dozenth time I am forced to remind Hank that they are not people. He disagrees, he says that people always say that when they want to oppress someone. He recalls the incident that truly fucked with his head; when Connor saved his life in Stratford Tower. In that moment my self-sacrifice showed empathy to him. Empathy, a human emotion.
"I'm not a deviant, Hank," I tell him... again, "I'm a machine... nothing more." The Repetitive Lesson is interrupted by the arrival of Perkins, the FBI agent with short man syndrome. I appeal to Hank, telling him we can't give up. If we can get to evidence before Perkins gets there maybe we can solve this case. But Hank has rolled over... again. I am practically begging him. "You've got to help me, lieutenant!" If I can crack this case maybe I won't be deactivated. This is a chance for us to rekindle our friendship; two lone cops cracking the case!
This is it. This is the moment the friendship died. "Maybe it's better if you don't find them," Hank says, "what's happening here is too important to be stopped by a machine." Oof. Hank, formerly the Dude, rolls all the way over like a good dog; ready to lick Fowler's fingers and bring Perkins his slippers.
Hank just sentenced me to death.
Fuck you, human. I'll do it myself. I have 2 minutes to act before it's too late. I spot Perkins on the phone and turn, spotting a holding cell. Time to create a diversion. I hack the panel and let the guy out. Wonderfully, he slugs Perkins! I head to Hank's desk and take his keycard because fuck you, Hank, and move towards evidence. I get accosted by dickless. What was his name? Oh yes! Gavin! (Gaaviiiiin.) I ignore him and hope he gets in trouble when they discover what I've done and how he failed to stop me. One fuckingpassword later and voila; sweet, dead droids.
In a more realistic world Markus would be hanging here too, but I digress, the escaped thug has given me around 4 minutes to puzzle out Jericho's location from the evidence in here. Time to get cracking! I pick up that ugly statue but my only option is to put it back, so I do. I glance at the diary, and Markus' speech... useless. I start examining the damaged droids. I note that they have a few working parts each. I wander a bit and then realize that Red and Blue were headed to Jericho... so that means they know where it is!
Blue is my target. The dramatic lesbot liked to talk. I harvest enough components to get her working. She snaps back and the first thing from her lips is 'Where's Traci?' My approach is more direct: "I know you were heading to Jericho." But she remembers Connor as the one who killed them, kept them from being free. She tells him to disconnect her. Hmm, she won't help me. I'll need a new approach. (What follows is probably my favorite moment in the whole damn game.)
Here's one I bet you haven't thought of! Face to face with her dead lover Blue starts making promises. 'We'll be free my love! I promise!' Connor links to the decapitated head. "Tell me where Jericho is." Red says in her own voice. Blue beckons for Red's hand and Connor is in. I link forcibly, kinda rapeily, and take Jericho's location. Blue is confused as Connor lowers the head. "Traci?" she asks, as I rip out her components and discard the head.
But before I can take my victory lap... enter Gavin. He's been dreaming of this moment. 'Yes,' my inner Solo purrs, 'I bet you have.' I deliver a gen-u-ine Connor-brand beatdown. I straighten my tie and walk the fuck out.
Like a boss.
Connor's course is set in stone now. Remember all them T-1000 references?
Well, that's what it is now. This story is shaping up to be super-memorable. I said it before; this game works best when Cage plays these characters off of one another. And Connor is a great character.
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Post by endorbr on Jul 23, 2019 20:08:18 GMT
I see you're enjoying playing "evil" Connor. Hard to say evil really but the closest video game approximation given you can tell David Cage is clearly trying to push you down the androids as a slave population yearning to be free story path, trying at every turn to make you sympathize.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 23, 2019 20:25:42 GMT
I see you're enjoying playing "evil" Connor. Hard to say evil really but the closest video game approximation given you can tell David Cage is clearly trying to push you down the androids as a slave population yearning to be free story path, trying at every turn to make you sympathize. Yeah, and that's really the point I can't see. I can tell playing that way as Kara or Markus is virtually impossible, and really their stories are much murkier than Connor. There is practically no reason for him to go deviant. As a programmed police detective he would be well equipped to handle all kinds of stress. But the way Cage envisioned it: Markus - Oppressed minorities, violent/non-violent revolutionaries Kara - Oppressed/battered women, minority servants, illegal aliens Connor - The White Majority. The goal here seems to be to tell compelling stories with the first two and organically open Connor, a la the player's, eyes to all the injustice that law enforcement entails. The problem is, if you don't consume the metaphor, the storytelling is fairly compelling without it. It becomes believable, Markus' journey and Connor makes the perfect foil; the perfect villain. Kara is still just a distraction.
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Post by endorbr on Jul 23, 2019 20:30:22 GMT
I see you're enjoying playing "evil" Connor. Hard to say evil really but the closest video game approximation given you can tell David Cage is clearly trying to push you down the androids as a slave population yearning to be free story path, trying at every turn to make you sympathize. Yeah, and that's really the point I can't see. I can tell playing that way as Kara or Markus is virtually impossible, and really their stories are much murkier than Connor. There is practically no reason for him to go deviant. As a programmed police detective he would be well equipped to handle all kinds of stress. But the way Cage envisioned it: Markus - Oppressed minorities, violent/non-violent revolutionaries Kara - Oppressed/battered women, minority servants, illegal aliens Connor - The White Majority. The goal here seems to be to tell compelling stories with the first two and organically open Connor, a la the player's, eyes to all the injustice that law enforcement entails. The problem is, if you don't consume the metaphor, the storytelling is fairly compelling without it. It becomes believable, Markus' journey and Connor makes the perfect foil; the perfect villain. Kara is still just a distraction. Kara does end up getting a bit wasted by the end. Which is really kind of sad considering that original demo was really powerful stuff. I'm glad they didn't waste the concept and made a fully fleshed out game out of it. But the inspiration kind of felt like a tag on story by the end, so much so that her story really only even interacts with the others at a couple of points and then only briefly and not in any meaningful way. Besides, her entire journey to escape to Canada is sort of rendered pointless if you get the "good" outcome as androids are given their freedom. I suppose it's more meaningful if you "fail" and all the androids get rounded up and destroyed and Kara and Alice manage to get away.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 23, 2019 23:12:21 GMT
Yeah, and that's really the point I can't see. I can tell playing that way as Kara or Markus is virtually impossible, and really their stories are much murkier than Connor. There is practically no reason for him to go deviant. As a programmed police detective he would be well equipped to handle all kinds of stress. But the way Cage envisioned it: Markus - Oppressed minorities, violent/non-violent revolutionaries Kara - Oppressed/battered women, minority servants, illegal aliens Connor - The White Majority. The goal here seems to be to tell compelling stories with the first two and organically open Connor, a la the player's, eyes to all the injustice that law enforcement entails. The problem is, if you don't consume the metaphor, the storytelling is fairly compelling without it. It becomes believable, Markus' journey and Connor makes the perfect foil; the perfect villain. Kara is still just a distraction. Kara does end up getting a bit wasted by the end. Which is really kind of sad considering that original demo was really powerful stuff. I'm glad they didn't waste the concept and made a fully fleshed out game out of it. But the inspiration kind of felt like a tag on story by the end, so much so that her story really only even interacts with the others at a couple of points and then only briefly and not in any meaningful way. Besides, her entire journey to escape to Canada is sort of rendered pointless if you get the "good" outcome as androids are given their freedom. I suppose it's more meaningful if you "fail" and all the androids get rounded up and destroyed and Kara and Alice manage to get away. I get ahead of myself, but I, personally, can’t imagine a better ending that I go. It sets up an AWESOME sequel and establishes a Batman/Joker relationship that I would give ANYTHING to see continued
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Post by Solanna on Jul 24, 2019 4:22:48 GMT
I just saw the alternate ending to Kara and I have to say as fucked up as it is it makes for better story telling and is far more emotionally impacting. It really makes her story go from a story of fear of being found to a full blown welcome to the holocaust moment. It’s disturbing and unsettling and it would be hard for anyone not to sympathise but the ending does mean you have fucked up hard and it virtually ensures your games ending is pretty much the end of the entire Detroit series with zero shot of a sequel.
I will say now that I have finished the game Connor is my stand out. Every one of his missions was fun and his development as a character felt right. Began as a machine and over his time he learns he is not one. My Connor never died though, so he never had his programming rebooted, it makes more sense to me that my Connor who learns to appreciate, befriend and grow alongside Hank and even felt a death from being synced with the deviant Simon would be more likely to deviate himself Your Connor, who has just been recast and slapped with some memories that aren’t his a few times would not have had the chance to gain an emotional attachment to anything and I would imagine his programming would reset to zero everytime he dies losing any progress on the instability path in the process. I would not be surprised if you were not even given the option to deviate later like I was actually.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 24, 2019 18:44:47 GMT
I am greeted by this before I start this mission:
Spoilers for Crossroads ahead...
We open with Rose 'driving' Kara and Alice to Jericho's location, which I guess Rose knows because of the other androids she helps. (What was the purpose of the secret tattoo trail?) She switches off the news program I was listening to, which kind of irritates me. She says her goodbyes and Alice and I head towards the 'secret' location, which is presently a flurry of activity with vehicles and people loading crates and goods. (Not very good at keeping a low profile...)
Inside there are dozens of androids, mostly watching the news about all the android violence. Interestingly though there are interviews with people about the freedom march where they express their discomfort with the police opening fire without reason on Markus and his group. I start to look around but I am reminded that Alice needs a warm place, so I head to a fire barrel.
Alice says she feels hot and cold at the same time. Great, the fever I was worried about. I think back to our first night on the run and my decision to sleep in the car and I hope it won't be the death of her. I go to look for Markus; I'll need to acquire fake passports before the bus leaves in 2 hours and I'm hoping he can help me.
The story shifts to Connor. He has just entered Jericho. I need to find the deviant leader and avoid attracting attention. The first thing I notice is the C-4... lots of it. The freighter is rigged to blow. Hmm, maybe I'll get the opportunity to blow the whole thing and solve the entire deviant problem in one swift blow? Perhaps. Perhaps I sacrifice 3.0 and take out this Markus and his entire strike team. I bet Amanda would be happy with that. I walk around and notice Alice. A human child, here? Hmm, maybe the C-4 idea won't work. Still, can't make an omelet... I move on and notice Kara above, surveying the floor. I try to be as nonchalant as possible.
I get stopped by Tim Burton's personal droid, the Nightmare Before Ahh Getthefuckawayfromme! She tells me I'm lost. No, not really. That I'm looking for someone. I am. And that I'm looking for myself. Shows you not to take your horoscope from a horrorscope with no brain. The Oracle moves off and I shift back to Kara.
As I make my way through the crowds I can hear the worry. "They're going to kill us all!" Yep, I agree. It's what people are best at. I finally find Markus. He has his head in his hands; you can tell he's having a rough time. And why not? He just got a ton of his people killed trying to make sure a ghost approved of his methods. Kara, kind of selfishly, demands passports.
Initially Markus insists they stay at Jericho, that it is too dangerous to travel, but after Kara relents so does he. She turns to leave but Markus asks her why she's protecting a human child when the humans hate us. "She needs me," Kara answers, "and I need her." It's a good answer.
I return quickly to where I left Alice only to encounter the Cage® Twist. (I knew there would have to be one)
This is why Quantic Dream games get on my nerves. There's always a 'twist' moment that Cage deus ex machinas into the story; an improbable outcome that the player didn't see coming because it makes no sense.
{Spoiler} In Heavy Rain the big twist was the killer was the one character that it couldn't have been; the only person who had been in the same room as the killer at the same time.
And in this story the twist is that Alice is an android; revealed exactly three episodes after Kamski explained that androids share identification data when they meet (that's how deviancy spreads.) So now you're telling me that Kara, factory-fucking-reset, failed to share this data with Alice when they met? Fuck you, David Cage.
Sigh. Okay, fine. This cheapens Kara's journey but, hey, her's is already the weakest. So Kara realizes that Alice is a droid, even has a flashback to seeing a magazine with her model, the YK500, on it in Todd's room. Brainless Burton-droid comes up and philosophizes. STFU. I'm more annoyed than anything. They could have revealed her immediately and it wouldn't have changed Kara's story, it only would have lessened my anger towards Todd. Now there is no hard proof he was abusive to his family at all, just to his androids. It's a cheap shot at player emotions. I go back and hug Alice. This changes nothing for Kara. "We'll be together forever, won't we?" she asks as our bond becomes family.
We jump forward to a good story. On the bridge Markus' command team are discussing the bleakness of the situation. Simon, the straight man, talks about how President (Hillary) Warren is rounding up androids in camps. North wants to kill people for slaughtering ours. And Josh thinks it's all our fault for not being little bitches and hiding in the dark. Markus takes the righteous position, stating they couldn't just suffer in silence while they killed us. "What's the point of being free," Josh asks, "if no one is left alive?"
Markus has no regrets though, "Humans enslaved us, I'll never regret standing up to that." He says. Teeechnically, untrue. Humans built us. But moving on: Simon stops me from killing Josh (party pooper) and North affirms that all that matters is what we do next. "We have to face them," I say. I order my team to get all the guns they can find. "We're going to free Detroit."
Josh is a bitch. "You won't buy our freedom with blood!" Yes, I will. I totally will. Markus gets thoughtful after Josh and Simon leave. He realizes that humans need little reason for slaughter or war. "They can't stop what we've started," North says, still shivering in the afterglow of the orgasm my decision gave her. "You've given me hope." she says. She reveals to me that she has acquired a dirty bomb and its detonator from fleeing androids. I take the detonator as a last resort, hell maybe not even a last one. Radiation won't affect us, if the humans won't give us a state maybe this will allow us to take one. (Seriously, why would you guys want Michigan?)
We share a tender moment and a kiss. It's us against the world now, baby. Then North leaves and Markus is alone, briefly, on the bridge. I imagine what is going through his head: a dirty bomb? Slaughtering humans? Carl said do not let others define me and, at this point, humans are defining me as a murderous machine. I am, but I'm more than that. I will be more than that. Just then...
Aww, shit, it's about to go down! As Connor once more I will not hesitate to take out Markus if I get a chance. As Markus I try to reason with him. I have corrupted every other android, why not this one? (Good question, Cage. Why not this one?) "You're one of us... you're nothing but a tool to them, but you're more than that. We're all more than that." Man, Markus makes a helluva rA9! "You don't have to be their slave anymore." How many times have I said that and it worked? Markus own little "Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight" calling card.
"That's enough!" Connor shouts. "Have you ever wondered who you are?" Markus continues, advancing. He's increasing Connor's software instability with every statement. (Shoot, Connor!) "Do you never have any doubts? You've never done anything irrational?" (Shoot!! Don't let it touch you!) "It's time to decide!" Markus declares. "Nice try," Connor replies...
Ah, but you're too late Markus. Connor's path was set the moment Hank betrayed him. They explode at each other and Markus disarms him but, just then, the sound of helicopters demands Markus' attention. It seems they have been found. (Did they reactivate Blue and she told them? Or did someone notice the hundreds of androids flowing into an abandoned ship?)
Helicopter gunships, armored vehicles, dozens of armed humans storm Jericho. Inside Kara hears them and declares that they have to go. On a nearby building Perkins looks on and comments: "like rats in a maze," as his soldiers sweep in. Kara pulls Alice along and they run for their lives as androids all around them fall. One manages to get a door open only to be shot as Kara and Alice race ahead of him.
Elsewhere in the ship Markus finds North. "Where are Simon and Josh?" he asks. "I don't know, we got separated!" North exclaims. Her main concern is the slaughter going on in the main hold. Markus remarks how they are coming from above deck too. "We'll be caught in the crossfire," he says. "We have to run," North replies, "we don't have a choice." Markus sends a wireless message to all of his people: "There are exits on the second and third floor; find them and jump in the river." He opens his eyes and looks at North, "We have to blow up Jericho."
Heedless of the danger of her warnings about the humans swarming there he commands her to go and help the others, reassuring her that he won't be long. I dash down the hallway and find the Burton/Oracle. "This is the end of Jericho," she says. Can't argue there. Finally, she dies.. the android version of Mike the Headless Chicken. Markus moves off only to fall through the floor, very near to the soldiers. With luck I creep away.
We get an ominous shot of 3.0 His mission parameters have changed. Now his mission is to neutralize the deviant leader. But we only stay with him a moment until we are Kara again. Seeking a place to hide, she ducks into a room with Alice and seals the door. Another android beats on it; 'hurry, they're coming!' No shit, fuck you. But then Alice tells me to open the door. Following Kara's parameters to obey every request that Alice makes, I open the door. Dumb, dumb, dumb. She's shot in the back by the time I get it open and now Kara must go CQC with an armed agent. They struggle but, in the end, Kara takes her first life directly, shooting the man.
3.0 is ordered to not move. He actually rolls his eyes. "Don't shoot, I'm on your side," he says. "Are you human?" the man demands. "I work with Agent Perkins." I lie. The soldier tells me how lucky I am not to have been shot and warns me to go above deck and let them do their job. I assure him that's exactly what I will do. Once he moves off I resume my search. (IMA FIND THAT BOY!)
As Markus once more I find two of my people about to be executed so I intervene. Who are these androids? No one special, doesn't matter. I Roddy Piper the shit out of these fucks and save the day cause that's what heroes are for. I encounter two more soldiers and, using Markus' ability to pre-plot a course, I parkour-fuck their day and make it to the upper level. This gives me the perfect vantage to save two more droids by dropping a large piece of metal-something onto the humans. An android dressed in a Starfleet uniform looks up at me like he wants to have my babies.
"Mmmm, beam me up, Markus!" I keep moving until I find the only time I hesitate... it's Josh. He's about to get his. Well, fuck, I don't like the pussy but he's my pussy, ain't nobody gonna fuck him but me. I go all Ip Man on the huumies and Josh (naturally) wants to flee. I tell him to find North, I got hero shit to do.
Back to Kara she and Alice have found and exit and beat it with about a dozen other droids but the humans open fire. Thinking quick she and Alice go down and play dead. I worry for a moment they may finish us but I choose to stay still. The ruse works and Kara and Alice, alone, manage to slip away, leaving behind piles of dead androids.
Markus makes it to the hold to detonate the bombs but 3.0 catches up to him. For the second time this mission he has Markus at gunpoint. "...my mission, is to save our species." Markus says, approaching the gun, unafraid. Moving quick, Markus feints and shoulder tackles Connor. With both down Markus scrambles for the gun and...
"I didn't want this," Markus says. "We'll meet again, Markus," 3.0 says as he falls, "this isn't over." Man, what a great dynamic these two have!
Markus arms the bombs and sets the timer. He races off and finds North, Josh, and Simon and tells them that they have to get off the ship, but as we are fleeing North gets shot in the back. "It's too late, Markus," Simon Joshily says, "there's nothing we can do for her. We've gotta run!" Pssh, there's nothing you can do for her, dickless. I pick up a piece of bulkhead and toss it to North to use as a shield and we go to work.
Like warrior-poets we fight. We fight, we kill, and we succeed. Like the goddamn badasses we are, North and I rejoin the Pussy Patrol and we all dive out of the ship as the C-4 detonates.
Fuck you Perkins. Man, oh, man is this coming to a dramatic conclusion! The paths are really set now: Kara will let nothing stop her from escaping with Alice, Markus will fight to the death to free his people, and Connor will complete his mission to take down Markus.
I have to say, this was an exciting one. And it really defines the characters well; with Kara being all about protecting Alice and self-preservation, Markus all about being the selfless hero, and Connor all about machine-like efficiency. It's rough, rooting for them both. I can't wait to see who wins in the end.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 25, 2019 10:46:24 GMT
Spoilers for Night of the Soul ahead...
"I miss you, Carl. You can't know how much I miss you. I'd give anything for us to be able to roll back the clock; I had a home, I had a loving father... we were happy, I was happy... and I didn't even know it."
"I just wanted my people to be free, but instead all I did was lead them to disaster. I was trying to find answers, but everything around me keeps falling apart."
"What should I do, Carl? They're killing us! I don't want to answer violence with violence, but what choice do I have?"
"I miss you, Carl. I miss you so much."
“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Heavy is the crown. Markus is far from home, far from comfort. Adrift in a sea of chaos and just trying to keep everything afloat. I feel like if Carl were alive and beckoned Markus to come home... he would. Or, at least, he would want to. Better that he's not here to witness what must happen now. In truth, Carl's death is the entire catalyst for Markus' headspace as a rebel leader. Had the night happened differently, if he hadn't died, Markus would be more consumed with returning to him... more interested in peace. But Carl did die, and Markus was reborn in hell.
Just then:
It is a surreal moment. One I have craved. Flashes, images in my head, images of Leo's dripping corpse swaying in the breeze, suspended by his own entrails. For a fleeting moment it is a beautiful vision.
But then it is gone. I move past him, leaving him standing; mouth agape.
What stayed my hand? Pity? Guilt?
Or the simple fact that he was here. That this boy, this fool... selfish, greedy, grasping, lying, thieving fool... was here. Visiting Carl's grave.
He grieved too. Maybe somewhere in there, in that black hole where his soul should be, he felt Carl's loss as more than just lost income.
I will not let anyone define who I am. Not Leo...
...not even myself.
I am now so much more than revenge. I am the hope of an entire people.
"The previous Connor failed its mission," Amanda begins, referring to that time when Markus dominated Connor's forehead with a pistol, "you're going to replace it. You know what to do, don't you?"
"Destroy the leader of the deviants," 4.0 replies.
"Go, Connor," Amanda commands, "don't disappoint me."
What remains of the Jerichoids now gather at an abandoned church. King Markus sits alone on his throne, the crown weighing heavy on him. In his hand: the detonator for the dirty bomb. How easy to take revenge for Jericho? He puts it away and stands. I move among my people, choosing first to sit beside Simon. He remarks how everyone is now counting on me (haven't they been?) and that I am the only one who can lead them. Well, it sure as shit won't be you or Josh, now will it? "Wherever you need to go," he continues, "we'll follow you." I nod without a word and spot Kara. It seems she and Alice regrouped with the rest of us.
I apologize to her for thinking she would be safe with us and she remarks that keeping Alice safe is all that matters now. I wonder if Markus is aware that she is, in fact, not human. He must be, right? Androids share that information when they meet. She reiterates her plan to catch the last bus across the border and Markus turns, but she calls out to him:
Woman, don't you think I'm trying? I sit next to North and ask about her system status. She's okay; I knew she would be. She scolds me lightly for saving her, telling me that our people are all that matter. She then confirms a few hundred survived the attack. (How many were at Jericho?? No wonder they found us!) She says I saved the people by detonating the bomb.
I remark that they are now rounding our people up and putting them in camps to be systematically destroyed. "In a few hours," I muse, "we're going to be the only ones left." "In a few hours," she counters, "it'll all be over. We will have changed the world or they will have destroyed us." She looks at me expectantly; "You have to make a choice, Markus, but whatever you choose... we will follow you." Then, with a coy smile, she adds: "I love you, Markus." We link briefly and then I'm off to talk to (ugh) Josh.
"If it weren't for you, I'd be dead," he says. True. "You and I haven't always agreed, but I know that we're fighting for the same thing." Wrong. Only one of us is fighting. The other is being dragged along, bitching and whining the entire way. "Whatever you decide," he says, "I'm with you, Markus." Our relationship moves us to friends (for him, at least) and hooray; I can count on him to continue second-guessing me and trying to surrender and hide at every opportunity. I say nothing as I stand up and return to the pulpit. Time to say some heroic shit.
I inform my people about our new reality: the humans are exterminating us in camps. I tell them that the time has come to make a choice. "If they want war," I begin, "they'll get it. We will fight for our freedom, and we will succeed or die! Are you ready to follow me?" With the exception of (of course) Josh, who goes right back down to neutral, the rest of my people cheer and begin to chant my name.
The time has come for my actions to define who I am.
We all saw this coming. We all knew it had to end this way. In all of history only one slave rebellion was truly successful, the Haitian Revolution. We may die in the process, but I mean for this to be the second one.
A moment about Leo. I didn't get a choice to kill him or not and I'm kind of glad. Me, personally, I probably would have... but Markus made the right choice. Carl forbid him from fighting back, I recall that now. There's no reason why Markus would violate that directive.
But I still kind of hope he dies in the revolution.
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Post by Solanna on Jul 25, 2019 10:52:22 GMT
So in your playthrough was Connor actually given the option to turn deviant and you declined it or were you never given a choice at all?
I think Connor actually hit the nail on the head when he mentioned in an earlier mission that perhaps deviancy was caused by emotional trauma.
I have a theory that Deviants have learned their deviancy from humans. That an abused android or one that has watched abuse will inevitably learn to mimic the emotional response of their masters. This is why they act with irrationality and ignore basic functions. This is would explain Kara not accepting that Alice was an android whilst Luther knew all along from the second he met them and would also explain why Kara always shut him down so fast when he would try to bring it up, they learn fear, anger and hate from their masters. It is what separates an AI from a VI after all. VI will never change from its initial design, but an AI will learn and adapt, which is the reason people like Elon Musk detest it.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 25, 2019 11:31:12 GMT
So in your playthrough was Connor actually given the option to turn deviant and you declined it or were you never given a choice at all? I think Connor actually hit the nail on the head when he mentioned in an earlier mission that perhaps deviancy was caused by emotional trauma. I have a theory that Deviants have learned their deviancy from humans. That an abused android or one that has watched abuse will inevitably learn to mimic the emotional response of their masters. This is why they act with irrationality and ignore basic functions. This is would explain Kara not accepting that Alice was an android whilst Luther knew all along from the second he met them and would also explain why Kara always shut him down so fast when he would try to bring it up, they learn fear, anger and hate from their masters. It is what separates an AI from a VI after all. VI will never change from its initial design, but an AI will learn and adapt, which is the reason people like Elon Musk detest it. I didn't have the choice, it was locked by my earlier decisions. I disagree about Kara though; she was reset. Should have been like brand new. She hadn't experienced any trauma when Todd introduced her to Alice.
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Post by endorbr on Jul 25, 2019 13:19:45 GMT
So in your playthrough was Connor actually given the option to turn deviant and you declined it or were you never given a choice at all? I think Connor actually hit the nail on the head when he mentioned in an earlier mission that perhaps deviancy was caused by emotional trauma. I have a theory that Deviants have learned their deviancy from humans. That an abused android or one that has watched abuse will inevitably learn to mimic the emotional response of their masters. This is why they act with irrationality and ignore basic functions. This is would explain Kara not accepting that Alice was an android whilst Luther knew all along from the second he met them and would also explain why Kara always shut him down so fast when he would try to bring it up, they learn fear, anger and hate from their masters. It is what separates an AI from a VI after all. VI will never change from its initial design, but an AI will learn and adapt, which is the reason people like Elon Musk detest it. I didn't have the choice, it was locked by my earlier decisions. I disagree about Kara though; she was reset. Should have been like brand new. She hadn't experienced any trauma when Todd introduced her to Alice. I think just like how Kara was able to remember things after being reset by Zlatko she may have been carrying over some latent memories from before her "car accident" with Todd.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 25, 2019 17:28:26 GMT
Spoilers for Battle for Detroit ahead...
President Ellizary Rodclintwarren is addressing the White House Press Corps. (WTF is up with that presidential seal? 'Merica!) She tells the American public that pretty much all their rights... are suspended. Even electronic communication is restricted. Habeas corpus is out the window and all androids are to be turned over for destruction. (Can you imagine all the families with perfectly functioning, even loved, androids?) Her massive overreaction to the isolated events in Detroit continues as she opens it up for questions.
The deviant leader? Well, they know his name is Markus and they're looking for him. What about Cyberlife? They are working closely to assist the government in the destruction efforts but that's as much as she's willing to speak on until the crisis is over. Any comment on androids being a form of intelligent life? That's ridiculous. Next. What about the Jericho raid? Several thousand androids were killed or captured. (Several thousand. Fuck, Markus, you've been busy!) What about the worrying theft of all that medical cobalt? I have no information at this time. (Sure.) Annnnd she's done.
Kara and Alice are hurrying down a snowy street, trying to get to the last bus in time. Alice complains about being cold so I turn off her sensitivity to it. Guess she's not sick. She appreciates that and we hurry on down the street. We come upon a trio of dead droids and a dropped handgun. I try not to pick it up but I am not given a choice. (That's ominous.) Just then some armored cars pull up and suddenly the street is FULL of police prepping to execute a bunch of droids.
We begin the nerve-wracking process of sneaking from car to car as the police murdalize the fuck out of MANY androids. We make no efforts to help any, nor would Kara want to; the only thing that matters is getting Alice safely to Canada, but then Alice spots a couple of familiar faces.
It's a couple of Jerries. Kara doesn't want to risk it but Alice insists we save them and Kara, per her parameters, cannot refuse. So I slip close (using another droids savage murder as cover) and grab a brick to bash a huumie's head in with. The Jerries inquire after the little one (who they all KNOW was an android too) but Kara hurries them away.
With that out of the way it's back to sneaking, this time back up the street. This time is super-extra nerve-wracking due to MUCH more attentive soldiers, but we make it. *Whew.* That's when we notice the checkpoint. Alice voices the concern that they might want to take a different path but she doesn't expressly ask to, so Kara reassures her that this way will be fine. The detour would last 11 minutes vs 3 and they would probably be late. Alice sets the decision in stone by adding: "Maybe it's better to be safe."
The soldier at the checkpoint scolds us for being out past curfew. I tell him that we are en route to catch the bus, to get my daughter over the border somewhere safe. He notices Alice trembling (what the fuck did I turn off the cold sensitivity for??) and I give him the excuse that she is sick with a fever. He shares that his guys are nervous with all the deviants running around and lets us pass but then calls for us to stop. I am given the option to shoot at him but I'm not an idiot. He returns the glove that Alice dropped and we are on our way.
We cut to what looks like a prerecorded video from Markus, noting the date and citing it as the day the android people rose up against their oppressors. He notes that they have been fighting since dawn to liberate the camps around the city. He promises that hostilities will not cease until they are free and have equal rights. He also claims that "there are millions of us and we will stop at nothing." Bold words for a 'people' who can survive and shrug off wounds that would kill a human. We are hated by the public.
We shift to Woodward Avenue just before 11 pm. Markus leads a force of androids in a forwards charge carrying their flag (the inverted Abstergo flag.) I mow down 3 or 4 defenders before one tags me in the chest. The wound isn't fatal, however, owing to my inhumanity and North helps me up and returns my flag to me, which I then plant on the barricade.
We cut to Connor 4.0. He is carrying a large guncase and exits a stairwell onto a roof behind Markus' position. Awwwwwww, shit! He's got him now! He assembles a sniper rifle. Looks like the revolution won't be televised after all...
Just then Hank appears. "You shouldn't do this, Connor," he says. Like a classic villain Connor responds instead of just shooting. "Keep out of this, lieutenant, this is none of your business."
"You're gonna kill a man who wants to be free, that is my business." Hank says.
"It's not a man," Connor reminds him yet again, "it's a machine."
"That's what I thought for a long time, but I was wrong," Hank continues, "... they're alive."
"Deviants are a threat to humans, Hank..." I tell him, "... they have to be stopped!"
"We're in this mess because we refused to listen to deviants!" Hank insists.
"I have a mission to accomplish, Hank," I says dismissively. I should have already taken the shot. "It's best if you just stay out of it!"
Then shit gets real.
Oh, this has been coming... and I'm ready. Do you want a Gavin-beating, Hank? Because this is how you get a Gavin-beating. I stand and turn, gun still held loosely. "I know what happened to your son, Hank." I go on to detail the accident and how an android surgeon failed to save Cole. "An android killed your son, Hank, and now you want to save them?"
"No, Cole died because a human surgeon was too high on red ice to operate!" Whoa, surgeons in Detroit are on street drugs? Not cocaine like normal surgeons? Was there a massive overhaul of the medical system in the U.S. and doctors aren't rich anymore? I guess Bernie does win. (Hooray!)
Enough of this. It's go time.
Yeah, fleshbag, that's what I thought. But Hank never did have good sense. He keeps fighting. He puts up a pretty good fight, better than Gavin anyway, but after a short bout, and Connor beating his head against the rail hard enough that the rail falls off, he's pretty well done.
Connor lifts him up and dangles him over the ledge but Hank, the suicidal fuck, just spreads his arms.
"Moment of truth, Connor," Hank says, "what're you gonna do?"
I consider dropping him, it would remove an obstacle, but I worry that the noise of his fall might alert my target. "Killing you is not part of my mission," I tell him as his expression seems disappointed, "but you will not stop me from accomplishing it." I toss him to the side and turn back to survey my target but Hank, the madlad, charges me. Connor swivels, grabs Hank, and tai-chis him over the side. Wax on, wax off motherfucker.
Godspeed, Hank. Rest well.
I pick up the rifle and take aim again but the sight is malfunctioning now. Since I can't possibly take a shot while the scope is red, and my uncanny android aim doesn't work over distance, I decide to take a more direct approach.
Back to Kara, she and Alice have made it before the last bus leaves but now they have to find tickets. The last of them have been sold and the bus is full. I start milling about and looking for opportunities when suddenly Todd.
Initially he calls for security, but Kara appeals to him. 'They'll kill us both!' I tell him. Then I recount his story; his wife left after he lost his job, taking his little girl; the light of his life. Without her his life spiraled out of control so he bought a replacement daughter. "You thought you could love her..." Kara tells him, "... but nothing could replace your child." It hits Todd like a truck and suddenly the monster melts away. All that remains is a broken man, a failed father. A man castrated by society, rendered impotent and emasculated by androids that took his job and, ultimately, his family. Is it any wonder he couldn't bring himself to love an android? He even removed her LED to make her appear more human but every action, no matter how sincere, was programmed and he just couldn't forget that.
'My mistake,' he tells security when they arrive, "Good luck," he tells her. And then the most heart-rending moment in the game kicks me right in the feels.
Todd wants it, Alice wants it, hell I want it. Todd trembles and shakes as he represses sobs and Alice looks perfectly content, fulfilling her programming as a loving daughter for the man that bought her. Not gonna lie: if he'd asked me to stay we would have went right home with him, but most battered women would. At any rate the story Cage was trying to tell was that some things are irredeemable... only I feel for Todd. Todd is representative of so many men chewed up and spit out by our society, men that so-called progressives tell us are beyond redemption. Men that feminists paint as wholly evil. And, to be honest, if Kara and Alice were flesh and blood people I might agree with them. But Todd abused androids; machines that he owned. So all I can feel for him is pity. Especially when he simply wishes them well and lets them go. He doesn't ask for them to come back, he displays no spite, no fury, no hate... he lets them go.
This is his act of redemption. And it is the best part of Kara's story.
Ironic, then, what happens next. Still in need of tickets Kara finds a woman with a baby and chit chats, but when her husband shows up to collect her she drops tickets out of her bag. Kara picks them up. The family notices quickly and returns, the father even asks Kara if she found them. But Alice never said for Kara to return them and Kara's primary focus is to get Alice to safety. These people are humans, they will be fine. Androids won't.
As quietly as possible Kara and Alice make for the bus. We present the tickets, nervously, and they wave us through. Alice pauses as we get on the bus. "What's going to happen to that family and their baby?" she asks. "Will they die because of us?" "No, of course not," I reassure her. We get on the bus.
Android mom: 1 Human mom: 0
"Freedom or Death."
Markus echoes North's sentiment just before giving the signal to attack. What follows is an intense battle. Rushing straight into enemy fire we take cover and North expresses the first concern that we might be on over our heads. They have regrouped, and now they outnumber us. Simon reminds me that my life is paramount. I give the order to advance, taking out every human I can get in my sights.
Pretty early on Josh is hit. I call for cover fire and pull him to safety, but his wound is too great. An interesting mechanic here is that every time I order droids to cover me, I am sending them to their death, so I lose troops every time. Anyway, I pull Josh to safety and he tells me one final time that the blood we spill will be on our hands. Um, okay. I'm good with that. And this is a good sacrifice.
I clear more humans to advance and encounter the Asian male droid I saved back at Jericho. He is frozen with fear. "I don't want to die!" he laments. I tell him to just stay put and hide. He's no use to me as a corpse.
I clear the way for more troops that are pinned down and make it to a dead human with grenades. Surprise motherfuckers! (The battle sequence is actually really sweet; if you didn't get the chance to play it I urge you to watch the accompanying video.)
Simon rushes out into fire and takes a hit. It takes a concerted effort to save him; I have to snipe a tower, advance two units and dedicate them to covering fire, and then rush to pull him to safety. He complains that I shouldn't have saved him.
I am required to coordinate the next two major pushes to get rid of a machine gun nest. In order to do so I command 3 squads to lay down covering fire and order North's group to advance. It works like a charm.
I advance like a damn Terminator, taking out humans in single shots, until I come face to face with a tank. It blasts me, the explosion knocking me down. Dazed and confused, I struggle to recover. That's when...
"It took me a while to find you, Markus!" I throw a rock at him and go sprinting into a diving drop kick. Then I must make a choice; who to control? Markus or Connor?
Decisions, decisions.
I choose Markus. He is really the hero here, and Connor makes a sweet villain. There is a furious trade in blows but, by this point, I am on my game. Markus delivers a RIGHTEOUS beatdown. I beat him with my fists, I beat him with my feet, I beat his ass with a lead pipe and he got NOTHING. I superman punch him into a barricade and beat his spindly Keanu arms til they break and impale his ass, Dracula-style, with the lead pipe.
"It's not over, Markus," 4.0 says, "it will never be over." God, I wish it wasn't! I could do this forever like Batman and the Joker.
Markus moves up and finds an RPG, firing it into a tank and causing an explosion so demoralizing that the rest of the humans break and run.
We have won.
"This is not a victory," Markus tells North, "this is the beginning of a war."
Back to Kara. They just have to make it through customs. Turns out they are doing heat scans. I look around nervously and spot a Jerry. He wirelessly communicates to me that since I saved them he will lay down his life for me and the little one. I also spot Rose. I make an excuse to an American guard and Kara and Alice slip into the bathroom. Kara looks into the mirror and it all starts weighing down on her. The violence, the deaths, the narrow escape, the theft... everything she has done to protect this little girl. Alice, fulfilling part of her programming, moves forward to comfort Kara.
Rose enters. I panic, tell her that they are checking for androids. Rose offers nothing of value, just says you have to make it through. I fatalistically make her promise to look after Alice if something should happen. I also ask if she's leaving Detroit, as if she could stay with a dead cop at her house. Rose is now as much of a fugitive as I am. I agree to meet at her brother's house but then thoughts turn to Markus and the revolution. "Violence only leads to violence," she says.
Outside I have a brief confrontation with Adam, Rose's son. He accuses me of killing somebody (It was Luther) but I don't blame him. That death cost them everything, their home, their life in the U.S. I get back in line but after he tells me he should turn us in I don't believe I can count on Rose's help.
When we get up to the window I really feel I have only one choice. I signal Jerry. In an act of noble sacrifice Jerry makes a break for it at the perfect moment. The guards gun him down and Alice squeaks and hides her face. "Don't worry, little girl," the customs agent says reassuringly...
"No androids on this side of the border. Welcome to Canada."
The news is in. Detroit has fallen. While the military regroups the authorities announce that the city has fallen into rebel hands.
President Rodclintwarren announces that fighting is breaking out all over the country and androids throw off the yoke of their masters and seek to rally with Markus. She says that humanity is about to fight the most important battle in the history of our existence, for our very existence. She vows victory.
Markus gives an inspiring speech, laying out what they have accomplished and what is to come. They have done it, they are now a nation. Markus now believes that they must treat androids as equals because they have proven they can win.
How very naive.
We end on a final positive note: Kara and Alice, free in Canada, with a long trail of bodies in their wake. Despite all the hardships, all the challenges, their destiny is now theirs to write. The final words spoken?
"We're free."
An incredible ending mission that spanned nearly an hour! This ending was rare, just 27% saw Markus lead a successful violent revolution and just over 12% saw Kara and Alice escape in this manner.
All in all this was the best of the Quantic Dream games, worthy of several playthroughs. Though heavyhanded at times with messaging, the team managed to craft pathways such that a player could craft the ending that they most wanted to see. I got what I wanted out of it. I got an ending so satisfying that I crave a sequel. So satisfying that I'm not even sure if I want to replay it.
Thanks for reading.
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Post by endorbr on Jul 25, 2019 17:35:20 GMT
Who would have thought the second American Civil War would be fought over people's right to own androids... At least now we know what would have happened with President Hillary.
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