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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 17, 2019 17:43:30 GMT
Luther died in yours too? Yep. Had the exact same thing happen. Cop saw him in the closet. The whole scan feature in this game sucks balls. You can't see it... yet! Get closer! Wait longer! Then you might see it! Apparently this only happened to 18% of the players.
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Post by Solanna on Jul 18, 2019 4:55:50 GMT
Just want to point out something I should have noticed earlier.
Wasn’t Detroit the primary start of the Underground Railroad back in the days of Lincoln?
Seems even the name of the game is a nod to the emancipation of the slaves.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 18, 2019 12:45:54 GMT
Just want to point out something I should have noticed earlier. Wasn’t Detroit the primary start of the Underground Railroad back in the days of Lincoln? Seems even the name of the game is a nod to the emancipation of the slaves. Do you mean end? Detroit is pretty far north, no slaves there. A lot of runaways ended up there though.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 18, 2019 17:01:06 GMT
Spoilers for Capitol Park ahead...
We open this mission with North, Josh, and Simon watching the news coverage of their stunt. Simon is fatalistic; "Well, we got what we wanted." He and Josh agree that it was a mistake to kill a human but North wants more bloodshed; "They'll never negotiate with their slaves," she points out. Josh, the pacifist, thinks they will if asked nicely. There's a small argument then Markus arrives. Time for the next move.
The plan is simple; hit 5 different Cyberlife stores in the city and free as many androids as possible. It will be a coordinated attack with no planned violence. Markus is determined; after watching advertisements of humans selling androids like a product (they are) he is ready to send a message to the humans.
"This is a night our people will remember." The first indicator that something might go sideways is the presence of North, but that's okay. Markus is feeling North. Despite my initial reservations, her appetite for revolution has been feeding Markus' ego and his thirst for revenge. While Josh ponders the most effective method to roll over and submit and Simon self-flagellates over every move we make, North is right there behind me, no matter how I choose to deal with the situation.
And Markus' mindset going into this is affected by his waffling performance on TV. "I should have been more aggressive," I thought. What kind of idiot demands a state and then professes a belief that humans and androids can live together peacefully? I berate myself as we set off towards the store. 'I won't make the same mistake this time.'
We dodge a patrol unit that inexplicably chirps and has his lights on. Huh? This is not hired security! The only reason a PD unit would chirp the siren would be to get someone's attention, meaning we were already spotted. And the lights? You have to get supervisor clearance to turn those on unless you are enroute to an emergency call! Grr. Well, anyway, they don't see us. We keep moving.
We make it to the store and North comments that we are nothing more than merchandise to them (duh.) Markus traces the store alarm and moves to disable it. Along the way I stop to free a janitor. I follow the line to an underground network junction that 2 androids are working on (luckily) and I hop down, freeing them and sending them to Jericho. I kneel and create an interloop, disabling the alarm, but just then a police drone spots me. I panic, fail to notice the hide option, and make a run for it. Fortunately North is there with violence to solve the problem and emasculate me. But the drone has already alerted police, it seems, and a patrol unit (lights flashing) comes rolling down the street to investigate. With seconds to react I can abandon the mission, oooorrr...
I channel my inner TidusandYuna1983 and act natural, an activity that channels North's inner Sarkeesian: "You crazy or what? Never do that again!" What?! You ain't never seen a movie? The shit worked, didn't it? Moving on; we block the road with a road closed sign, preventing the cop from rolling back through. I free some more droids and then we hijack a truck (an autonomous one, without a key) and I drive that motherfucker right through the storefront, shattering the window and breaking through the security gate.
Once inside we move quickly, awakening every android in the building, then I give a rousing and inspiring speech about why they should all join me and cast off their shackles, er, function. Because nothing gives someone greater purpose than aimless freedom! Because Androids, who do not need food, sleep, or rest ought to be free to sit on the couch and not work too! Because Androids, who do not need shelter and cannot breed, ought to make equal wages to humans! Freedom... 'Cause!
Then we set about to fuck shit up.
We flip cars, we set shit on fire, we break windows, I think I replayed my message on an advertising board, but we broke ere'thang else. We scale the walls and hang an electronic banner with our new insignia; the upside down Abstergo symbol! Templars, bitches, but in reverse!! Sralpmets! Plus the triangular shape resembles Android Jew-badges but inverted.
We continue our rampage, unabated. We smash and burn; I am at 100% violence. Revolution feels good! You fleshy bastards want a war?? I'll give you a war, motherfuckers!
My name is Markus! Making you a carcass! Setting humans back in to an age of darkness!
Straight outta Jericho, out here representing! Find my call of freedom rather unrelenting!
Androids! That's right we're artificial! Taking out humans with violence prejudicial!
You wanna war? Bitch, you never seen it coming! Ima shove my foot deep in Leo's rectal plumbing!
Shots fired. I hear them. I move down the street to find North kneeling on front of a number of dead androids. There are police lights ahead and a crowd of my people. North remarks how they killed them, slaughtering them like animals. I move towards the crowd to find two human police officers on their knees and near two dozen androids howling for vengeance.
You wanted a supervillain? Here I am.
I take the gun and approach them. This is it. This is the path I follow. Cry bitch! Cry them tears! Beg me!! Beg me, you helpless fuck!!!
Then something happened. Helpless. Like Carl was. This man, this human, was helpless before me. Without me, he's dead. He can't save himself. He can't help himself. I falter. I can't do it. Carl would be ashamed. Carl loved me, but would he still love me if I executed these men? Questions. Instability. My programming is torn; my function is to care for others, for the helpless. I cared for Carl. Then I cared for the helpless Androids of Jericho. But they aren't helpless now, these men are.
"An eye for an eye and the world goes blind." The quote may be Gandhi but I feel like Markus heard it from Carl. "We won't punish a crime with another crime," I say. Waffler that I am. North looks on in concern as Markus departs, walking back alone.
I need time to think.
Wow! What a fucking mission! And what a turn of events. Everything felt good, everything felt right. Even Markus' turn of opinion. It was a perfect moment to recall Carl's love, to examine what Markus had become. Carl's final words to Markus were "Don't let anybody tell you who you are." I had let North and the Jerichoids do just that.
Consistently Carl had prepared me for this, and I had failed. "Face the abyss, don't let it consume you."
"When the world falls into darkness....some men have the courage to lead it out. You’re one of those men."
"Be careful, Markus, that when fighting monsters....you don’t become a monster yourself."
but most importantly;
"You’re my son, Markus....Our blood isn’t the same color but I know a part of me is in you."
And now I have to think. Is there a better way?
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Post by endorbr on Jul 18, 2019 17:14:48 GMT
You can tell they've setup North as a potential "love" interest for Markus. Play things the ultra-violence robots take their freedom by KILL ALL HUMANS route and they dangle the promise of getting some of that North booty as a reward. She rubbed me the wrong way the whole game. Yeah yeah, she was a sex bot subject to all the deviancy that humans could come up with but that's exactly what she was programmed to do. She shouldn't care. She shouldn't even have been phased by it. Yet there she is always encouraging Markus to take out revenge for her so they can be "free."
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 18, 2019 17:35:36 GMT
You can tell they've setup North as a potential "love" interest for Markus. Play things the ultra-violence robots take their freedom by KILL ALL HUMANS route and they dangle the promise of getting some of that North booty as a reward. She rubbed me the wrong way the whole game. Yeah yeah, she was a sex bot subject to all the deviancy that humans could come up with but that's exactly what she was programmed to do. She shouldn't care. She shouldn't even have been phased by it. Yet there she is always encouraging Markus to take out revenge for her so they can be "free." Yeah, she's portrayed like an abused rape victim, but her programming should have prevented thoughts like that. I had to stop myself from rapping more...
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Post by endorbr on Jul 18, 2019 18:37:04 GMT
You can tell they've setup North as a potential "love" interest for Markus. Play things the ultra-violence robots take their freedom by KILL ALL HUMANS route and they dangle the promise of getting some of that North booty as a reward. She rubbed me the wrong way the whole game. Yeah yeah, she was a sex bot subject to all the deviancy that humans could come up with but that's exactly what she was programmed to do. She shouldn't care. She shouldn't even have been phased by it. Yet there she is always encouraging Markus to take out revenge for her so they can be "free." Yeah, she's portrayed like an abused rape victim, but her programming should have prevented thoughts like that. I had to stop myself from rapping more... The rapping was one of the best parts.
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Post by Solanna on Jul 18, 2019 23:15:47 GMT
Just want to point out something I should have noticed earlier. Wasn’t Detroit the primary start of the Underground Railroad back in the days of Lincoln? Seems even the name of the game is a nod to the emancipation of the slaves. Do you mean end? Detroit is pretty far north, no slaves there. A lot of runaways ended up there though. Yeah, I just researched it. It was codenamed Midnight and was the final stop for “Conductors” before escorting escaped slaves across into Canada.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 22, 2019 16:57:46 GMT
Spoilers for Meeting Kamski ahead...
Hank's disposition is warm when he spots Connor, pulling up in front of Elijah Kamski's place. Kamski is the Zukerberg of this world; the creator of Cyberlife, the androids, and certifiable psychotic recluse. He's also the personal friend of Carl Manfred and personally designed and built Markus for him. Recall, dear reader, that Connor knows that Kamski built and gifted Markus so I fully anticipate some shit to go down.
You can feel Hank's frustration as he puts the car in park. This is a man whose emotions are frayed. He's already got a stressful life, lost his son, and now he has this partner who keeps dying and coming back. 3.0 stands there as he starts to get out of the car and you can just feel the weight of it on him. "Still immortal, huh Connor?" he asks/states. "In a way." Connor replies in his way. "You know, I was hoping you wouldn't come back." Hank says. This is one of the most powerful statements this character will make during the whole game. Think about it: twice now he has come to consider Connor a friend, twice Connor has saved his life. And heeeereee's Connor... fresh and ready to be mourned all over again. "I'm just a machine replacing another machine, Lieutenant." Fact. Cold, hard, indisputable... and emotionally toxic. Poor Hank. Connor continues: "You shouldn't get emotional about it."
So that felt totally deserved. "How did you find Kamski?" Connor asks, changing the subject. Great. That means that Connor had nothing to do with this trip, that means that when Connor learned about Kamski's role in Markus' being that he either hid the information or it simply didn't register. The former would be interesting, but the latter is lazy. Anyway, we knock on the door and meet Kara/Chloe (I swear they look alike) and learn that Kamski is the cultured kind of recluse that likes to keep his sexbots barefoot. Nice.
I look around, notice that Amanda and Kamski worked closely together. I also notice she's dead. Died in 27, like 9 years ago. That means that Amanda is an android or at least an AI liaison for Cyberlife that I report to. Good to know. "Nice girl," Hank interrupts, indicating Chloe. "It's not a girl," I correct him. He's a little put off by that but continues with the chit-chat. "You're about to meet your maker," he says, "how does that make you feel?" Connor cuts his eyes at him, "It doesn't raise any existential questions, if that's what you mean." It seems the friendship is lost. Hank is too resentful of the repeated emotional rapes and 3.0 is, perhaps, even more machine-like than his predecessors.
Barefoot Chloe comes to get us and leads us into a room with a large pool full of what looks like blood and 2 more Chloes. At the far end is Kamski. I immediately wonder why you would want or even allow your sexbots to wear swimsuits. I wouldn't. Their purpose is to look beautiful and be available for my every whim. Don't need clothes for that. But I digress, we come in while he takes the tropeic final rich guy lap. Barefoot brings him a towel and the dude with the CRAZIEST eyes ever gets out of the pool.
So immediately Kamski incriminates himself. "Deviants, fascinating aren't they? Perfect beings with infinite intelligence... and now they have free will!" I added that ! to indicate the glee on his face, the all-knowing glee of a supervillain when someone finally gets their plan. This is an Ash moment; when Ash was examining the facehugger. Ironic, but that's what I thought of. He continues on, praising machines at the expense of humans. This guy is guilty as sin... so why can't Connor say something, anything to Hank? This guy needs to be leaned on! He not only knows about Deviants, but he knows what causes it! He probably caused it! "Either tell us something helpful or we'll be on our way," Hank says in the weakest imitation of a detective ever.
Does that look like a helpful face? In fact he ignores Hank, almost with contempt. Instead he focuses on Connor, the android from Cyberlife. The one that answers to the ghost of his dead mentor. He tries to incite Connor, "Whose side are you on?" The humans, I respond. He continues to try and make Connor deviant. "What do you really want?" "I don't want anything," I respond forcefully, "I am a machine." Why do I have to keep reminding people of this?? He calls for Barefoot Chloe, obedient droid that she is. With no hint of free will she kneels before me. (Blowjobs? For everyone? Yay!) He rambles on about the Turing test, the one that Chloe was the first one to pass, mind you. Then he brings up the Kamski test.
You see, psychopath here has invented his own test to see if androids have empathy. In between talking about Chloe being a hunk of plastic and having a soul he pulls out a handgun, at least a .45 by the look of it. He then declares that it is up to Connor to answer that question: is Chloe a machine... or is she something more? "Destroy this machine, and I'll tell you all I know..."
I could not wait to pull that trigger. The whole time Kamski tempted and Hank protested I was eagerly poised, waiting for the prompt. All you know? And all I've got to do is shoot one machine? Where the fuck do I sign up! This is my purpose, my function, to assist in this investigation, I'd have shot a human to solve it. This bastard is CLEARLY behind it all and he promises to tell me everything? Fucking case solved!
Or it would have been, if Kamski wasn't a liar and Connor wasn't disallowed to implicate him in a crime. He blathers about the test being negative and the life of an android not meaning anything opposed to the investigation. Duh. I'm a machine... why do I have to keep laying that out? I'm wearing clothes that clearly mark me as one! I can't get more obvious. Hank leaves, like a little bitch. Little Bitch Hank. GROW SOME BALLS, HANK! "I'm a man of my word," Kamski says, "ask one question." You fucktard, I should shoot you too!! One? ONE??? You said ALL.
My choices suck. I can ask about rA9, Jericho's location, or about how deviancy spreads. Well rA9 isn't relevant and there's no way shithead knows where Jericho is so I really only have one choice. He tells me that androids share identification data when they meet and an error in this program would spread like a virus where it would remain dormant until an emotional shock occurs. Wait, what? An emotional shock? Androids don't feel emotion.
Just like I feel no emotion at that image. He continues to lie to me: "Probably started with one model, a copy error, a zero instead of a one..." I want to scream at him. I know, Connor should know he had something to do with it. Yet here he is, rationalizing 5th grade lies to a perfect being with infinite intelligence. "Unless, of course," he continues, "it was..."
You're so full of shit there's corn in your teeth!! "An interesting question, Connor," he intones, "but I'm not sure my answer was very helpful." Fuckitty fuck fucker!! No shit!!! Then he grabs me on my way out: "A war is coming. You'll have to choose your side; will you betray your own people, or stand against your creators?" You think?? Just as I'm leaving he says something about leaving an emergency exit in all of his programs. I don't really know what that means. Can I find a way to convert the androids or does he mean that it isn't too late for me to be deviant?
Or is it just nonsense spouted by a megalomaniacal asshat who's fixing his completely non-deviant sexbot as we speak? She ain't dead, he'll be porking her USB outlet before we get to the bottom of the driveway!
Outside Hank is just waiting to give me a piece of his mind. "You shot that girl, for fuck's sake!" He says, forcing me to remind him, again, that it wasn't a girl, it was a machine that looked like a girl. He then attempts to step off on me, but Connor ain't having it this time. You wanna go? Is it go-time, fleshbag? I guess the honeymoon is over, partner. "I did what I had to do to advance the investigation!" I tell him which, by the way, is a LOT more than a hard-boiled detective who meekly gives a goddamn suspect the option to nope out of an interview and then shuffles off like sloughed skin after a sunburn when shit gets real.
Then he says the dumbest shit ever, shit so dumb I know we can't be friends anymore...
Fuck off, Hank. I've been trying to tell you that for days.
"Of course I'm a machine, lieutenant," Connor says calmly, "What did you think I was?" He stammers, then leaves...
...like a little bitch.
So, wow, yeah? You knew I'd do it, right? Because it was the only thing I think Connor could do. He is a machine, but more than that... he's Cyberlife's special machine, a unique prototype employed as an agent of the company to solve the problem of the Deviants. I just can't imagine him going deviant.
Plus I love sticking it to that rich-fuck shitlord in his private bloodpool residence with his no-deviant sexdroids preaching to me about how androids are superior to humans and perfect and we're all poor-shits who don't deserve to live. What kind of horror-world hybrid of Zucker-Musk is this clown?
The battle lines are being drawn. Connor doesn't need an alkie/suicide-waiting-to-happen has-been to track down these deviants. I lost a lot of respect for Hank during the Red/Blue confrontation, but I lost the rest of it when he rolled over for Kamski and acted like a bitch.
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Post by endorbr on Jul 22, 2019 17:32:42 GMT
That confrontation with Kamski was almost the complete opposite of the approach I took. But I get where you're coming from. The minute I saw the guy I got instantly reminded of this guy: The way you've fleshed out your Connor reminds me a lot of another video game droid too:
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 22, 2019 17:38:51 GMT
That confrontation with Kamski was almost the complete opposite of the approach I took. But I get where you're coming from. The minute I saw the guy I got instantly reminded of this guy: That's uncanny!! But I disagree with your other comparison. Connor isn't a killer droid, but he is a machine, uncorrupted by empathy or weakness.
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Post by endorbr on Jul 22, 2019 17:48:48 GMT
I don't mean that your Connor is a killer. I only mean that he's a droid through and through. Actually I guess a better comparison would be Isaac from The Orville. Don't know how much if any of that you've watched. He's a machine who knows he's superior in most ways and is constantly reminding everyone of that fact.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 22, 2019 18:13:10 GMT
I don't mean that your Connor is a killer. I only mean that he's a droid through and through. Actually I guess a better comparison would be Isaac from The Orville. Don't know how much if any of that you've watched. He's a machine who knows he's superior in most ways and is constantly reminding everyone of that fact. I love that show.
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Post by Solanna on Jul 22, 2019 19:15:43 GMT
That mission alone gives me strong indications our paths here on out are likely to diverge drastically.
I just finished the final mission and wooooooo, wow. Will have to finish its write up tomorrow though cause damn that was a long one.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Jul 22, 2019 19:20:07 GMT
That mission alone gives me strong indications our paths here on out are likely to diverge drastically. I just finished the final mission and wooooooo, wow. Will have to finish its write up tomorrow though cause damn that was a long one. No rush. I've still got 4 to go and work is stressfully insane. Doubt I'll be able to do more than 1 a day.
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