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Post by endorbr on Jan 4, 2019 17:43:41 GMT
So much of this stuff to post about it just needs its own thread.
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Post by endorbr on Jan 4, 2019 17:44:04 GMT
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Post by TidusandYuna1983 on Jan 5, 2019 0:04:05 GMT
Get a load of this article. Diversity is important because a video game is much more than its gameplaywww.vg247.com/2019/01/02/diversity-important-video-game-much-gameplay/The writer twists things around by saying:- ' 'A truly historically-accurate WW2 experience wouldn’t make a ‘fun’ video game. That game would give you one life, delete itself after you died, and you would be forced to play it''. What most gamers mean when they say they want a realistic WW2 game is they want a story/setting/atmosphere that is realisitic. They want to feel like they are really there. They want the Nazis to look and behave like Nazis. They don't want to see black Nazis and gay Nazis. They want to feel like they are in the 1940's , and back in the 1940's, whites and blacks were segregated, and women were expected to be housewives or did factory jobs to help the war effort. Gamers know gameplay can't be 100% realistic, because gameplay that uses physics and scenarios that are 100% realistic would take away much of the fun, but they still want a story/setting/atmosphere that is realistic. And lets not forget, many gamers like a permadeath system, stamina system and play games on the hardest difficulty so they lose if they get a shot a few times. If realism isn't important and forced diversity is , lets have black and gay Nazis in the next WW2 game, and lets have an arab Yakuza clan leader, and lets have 300 lb women as characters in video games, can't leave out obese people right? Like somebody said , many women like to play as Nathan Drake because he's handsome. If he was a fat , bald man , they wouldn't want to play with him. One of my friends is a woman gamer, she liked playing as Alistair in Dragon Age because she said he is handsome. Forced diversity leads to race swapping (Chloe changed from being a hot Latino-looking woman to a big-nosed Indian), agendas being the focus (which had a negative affect on Mass Effect Andromeda's storyline) If I can use an example of the right way to go about diversity, lets look at the movie Species from 1995. It has a muslim character, but he never brings up Islam, nor is Islam brought up into the story. He is black, but he never brings up racism. The story focuses on them trying to catch an alien, not on political agendas.
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Post by TonberryKing on Jan 5, 2019 2:27:42 GMT
Get a load of this article. Diversity is important because a video game is much more than its gameplaywww.vg247.com/2019/01/02/diversity-important-video-game-much-gameplay/The writer twists things around by saying:- ' 'A truly historically-accurate WW2 experience wouldn’t make a ‘fun’ video game. That game would give you one life, delete itself after you died, and you would be forced to play it''. What most gamers mean when they say they want a realistic WW2 game is they want a story/setting/atmosphere that is realisitic. They want to feel like they are really there. They want the Nazis to look and behave like Nazis. They don't want to see black Nazis and gay Nazis. They want to feel like they are in the 1940's , and back in the 1940's, whites and blacks were segregated, and women were expected to be housewives or did factory jobs to help the war effort. Gamers know gameplay can't be 100% realistic, because gameplay that uses physics and scenarios that are 100% realistic would take away much of the fun, but they still want a story/setting/atmosphere that is realistic. And lets not forget, many gamers like a permadeath system, stamina system and play games on the hardest difficulty so they lose if they get a shot a few times. If realism isn't important and forced diversity is , lets have black and gay Nazis in the next WW2 game, and lets have an arab Yakuza clan leader, and lets have 300 lb women as characters in video games, can't leave out obese people right? Like somebody said , many women like to play as Nathan Drake because he's handsome. If he was a fat , bald man , they wouldn't want to play with him. One of my friends is a woman gamer, she liked playing as Alistair in Dragon Age because she said he is handsome. Forced diversity leads to race swapping (Chloe changed from being a hot Latino-looking woman to a big-nosed Indian), agendas being the focus (which had a negative affect on Mass Effect Andromeda's storyline) If I can use an example of the right way to go about diversity, lets look at the movie Species from 1995. It has a muslim character, but he never brings up Islam, nor is Islam brought up into the story. He is black, but he never brings up racism. The story focuses on them trying to catch an alien, not on political agendas. I'm so tired of gaming journalism
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Post by kungfubunny9876 on Jan 5, 2019 6:29:04 GMT
Haha, I knew we needed a thread like this.
I don't have a problem with diversity---I think it's fine if used as a natural extension of something rather than heavily spamming an agenda just for the sake of pleasing the "social justice people."
My advice for movie studios, game developers and everyone else---don't think so much about skin color, sexual orientation or gender identity. Just make what you want to make. If SJWs or anyone else don't like it, they don't have to like it. If they get mad about it, or rant on Twitter about it as they tend to do, don't let them influence how you want to tell a story, create a character or set a scene. If you bend to their will, they win and you lose. Ask yourself if it's even worth it to make a whiner happy. The general rule to consider here is --- YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYBODY. So don't try.
Don't try to please a specific demographic of people, or that mass audience that doesn't exist. Or those people on Twitter who spend all that time complaining about wanting diversity in games yet never so much spend a dime or bat an eyelash in support of a product that tries to appeal directly to them. SJWs are the biggest hypocrites in the world.
We don't need Social Justice. We don't need agendas. We don't need diversity overkill. We just need stories, games and ideas that entertain us.
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Post by TidusandYuna1983 on Jan 5, 2019 12:35:40 GMT
Haha, I knew we needed a thread like this. I don't have a problem with diversity---I think it's fine if used as a natural extension of something rather than heavily spamming an agenda just for the sake of pleasing the "social justice people." My advice for movie studios, game developers and everyone else---don't think so much about skin color, sexual orientation or gender identity. Just make what you want to make. If SJWs or anyone else don't like it, they don't have to like it. If they get mad about it, or rant on Twitter about it as they tend to do, don't let them influence how you want to tell a story, create a character or set a scene. If you bend to their will, they win and you lose. Ask yourself if it's even worth it to make a whiner happy. The general rule to consider here is --- YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYBODY. So don't try. Don't try to please a specific demographic of people, or that mass audience that doesn't exist. Or those people on Twitter who spend all that time complaining about wanting diversity in games yet never so much spend a dime or bat an eyelash in support of a product that tries to appeal directly to them. SJWs are the biggest hypocrites in the world. We don't need Social Justice. We don't need agendas. We don't need diversity overkill. We just need stories, games and ideas that entertain us. Well said Bunneh. Devs cannot please everyone, and some people will always look for something to bitch about. Persona 5 added gay people, but people bitched about it. Persona 4 dealt with the issue of a character being confused about his sexual orientation, and a certain person we used to talk with bitched about it. SJWS complained video games make women look too sexy and it objectifies women, so Bioware made the women in Andromeda look ordinary, but then women complained it made them look too ugly. This is part of the reason I find Japanese games more enjoyable, Japanese developers make games how they want to make them, they make women have large breasts and act naughty .
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Post by endorbr on Jan 5, 2019 16:37:10 GMT
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Post by kungfubunny9876 on Jan 5, 2019 17:12:36 GMT
Haha, I knew we needed a thread like this. I don't have a problem with diversity---I think it's fine if used as a natural extension of something rather than heavily spamming an agenda just for the sake of pleasing the "social justice people." My advice for movie studios, game developers and everyone else---don't think so much about skin color, sexual orientation or gender identity. Just make what you want to make. If SJWs or anyone else don't like it, they don't have to like it. If they get mad about it, or rant on Twitter about it as they tend to do, don't let them influence how you want to tell a story, create a character or set a scene. If you bend to their will, they win and you lose. Ask yourself if it's even worth it to make a whiner happy. The general rule to consider here is --- YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYBODY. So don't try. Don't try to please a specific demographic of people, or that mass audience that doesn't exist. Or those people on Twitter who spend all that time complaining about wanting diversity in games yet never so much spend a dime or bat an eyelash in support of a product that tries to appeal directly to them. SJWs are the biggest hypocrites in the world. We don't need Social Justice. We don't need agendas. We don't need diversity overkill. We just need stories, games and ideas that entertain us. Well said Bunneh. Devs cannot please everyone, and some people will always look for something to bitch about. Persona 5 added gay people, but people bitched about it. Persona 4 dealt with the issue of a character being confused about his sexual orientation, and a certain person we used to talk with bitched about it. SJWS complained video games make women look too sexy and it objectifies women, so Bioware made the women in Andromeda look ordinary, but then women complained it made them look too ugly. This is part of the reason I find Japanese games more enjoyable, Japanese developers make games how they want to make them, they make women have large breasts and act naughty . I love Japanese games, anime and manga for that very reason you mentioned. The Japanese don't give a shit about SJWs.
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Post by TidusandYuna1983 on Jan 6, 2019 7:20:32 GMT
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Post by endorbr on Jan 6, 2019 14:12:33 GMT
They started off wrong with me talking shit about Miranda in Mass Effect 2. Stopped reading right there.
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Post by TidusandYuna1983 on Jan 6, 2019 14:24:17 GMT
They started off wrong with me talking shit about Miranda in Mass Effect 2. Stopped reading right there. Especially since Miranda is a good character, and the reason her body is good is because she was genetically engineered to look that way, so she would have advantages in life. I wonder if the journalist even played ME2, or understood the reasons why Miranda was created to be smart and have a great body.
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Post by endorbr on Jan 6, 2019 14:46:02 GMT
They started off wrong with me talking shit about Miranda in Mass Effect 2. Stopped reading right there. Especially since Miranda is a good character, and the reason her body is good is because she was genetically engineered to look that way, so she would have advantages in life. I wonder if the journalist even played ME2, or understood the reasons why Miranda was created to be smart and have a great body. Exactly. It’s explained in game why she looks the way she does and it’s relevant to her character and her behavior and her role in Cerberus.
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Post by kungfubunny9876 on Jan 6, 2019 17:01:56 GMT
She's got a pretty cool superpower that involves punching holes in reality to peek into other multiverses, but..... I find so much wrong with this character. She literally screams Social Justice and diversity overkill in the worst order. Other than the aforementioned superpower, she doesn't distinguish herself that greatly from other, better superheroes. She's a walking, talking, badly-developed Latino stereotype. Marvel seems to think all Latinos speak in J-LO urban Bronx. Apparently, they didn't get ques from Miguel O Hara (Spider Man 2099) Her name is America Chavez. Don't we have a character named CAPTAIN America? She's lesbian, and bisexual. Frankly, she's a terrible character. I am more fond of Kamala Khan and Miles Morales---they had compelling stories to tell, and they were a natural extension of the Marvel universe. America Chavez was created simply to promote an agenda.
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Post by TidusandYuna1983 on Jan 7, 2019 5:54:00 GMT
She's got a pretty cool superpower that involves punching holes in reality to peek into other multiverses, but..... I find so much wrong with this character. She literally screams Social Justice and diversity overkill in the worst order. Other than the aforementioned superpower, she doesn't distinguish herself that greatly from other, better superheroes. She's a walking, talking, badly-developed Latino stereotype. Marvel seems to think all Latinos speak in J-LO urban Bronx. Apparently, they didn't get ques from Miguel O Hara (Spider Man 2099) Her name is America Chavez. Don't we have a character named CAPTAIN America? She's lesbian, and bisexual. Frankly, she's a terrible character. I am more fond of Kamala Khan and Miles Morales---they had compelling stories to tell, and they were a natural extension of the Marvel universe. America Chavez was created simply to promote an agenda. It's like they tried too hard to flaunt she's Latino and bisexual. I don't mind if a character is Latino, but I don't want political agendas being the focus. I remember before Naughty Dog changed Chloe's appearance, me and many others thought she was Latino, and many guys said she is hot. Many people liked her. Then they changed her race to be Indian because of political reasons, and that annoyed people.
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Post by TidusandYuna1983 on Jan 8, 2019 15:43:23 GMT
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