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Post by endorbr on Sept 25, 2019 17:47:58 GMT
2016 - Trump is elected the 45th president of the United States. March 2019 - The Mueller investigation into Russian collusion concludes after two years and over $30 million in taxpayer funds and ultimately concludes with a big fat pile of nothing. March 2019 - Nancy Pelosi says Congress should not attempt to impeach president Trump. September 2019 - A "whistleblower" announces that Trump is colluding with the Ukraine in a "secret" phone call to steal the 2020 election. September 24, 2019 - Nancy Pelosi calls for an impeachment investigation of the president. September 25, 2019 - Trump releases the unredacted transcript of the phone call: Read the Trump-Ukraine phone call readout. It contains 5 pages of absolutely nothing unusual or incriminating.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Sept 25, 2019 18:17:38 GMT
It's a 5 page, redacted, memo. Not a transcript. and look what's in it:
“I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine,” Mr Trump said on the phone call, according to the memorandum. “We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it’s something that should really ask them about.” “A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it’s something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine,” he continued. “I wouldn’t say that it’s reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.”
Mr Trump then asks Mr Zelensky “to do us a favour”.
He begins by immediately asking for an investigation surrounding the origins of the Russia investigation that clouded the first years of his presidency, commenting on the former special counsel’s “incompetent performance” the day prior.
“Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible,” he said.
He then urged the president of Ukraine to look into an alleged issue involving his 2020 rival Joe Biden — a move that was previously reported about the call and sparked swift outcry on Capitol Hill.
“The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that,” Mr Trump said on the call. “So whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.”
“It sounds horrible to me,” the president added.
Trump called Pelosi and asked if they could 'work something out'
While the memorandum was largely described as a transcript, some Democrats slammed the document as a “highly-edited memo” that failed to include key components of the 30 minute conversation that had somehow been boiled down into a five-page memorandum.
“Trump did indeed bring up US aid to Ukraine and then asked their leader to investigate his political opponent,” Democrat Don Beyer wrote in a statement.
“This document [is] not exculpatory,” he added, “it is a smoking gun.”
Still, Democrats and others said the US’ financial leverage over the country could be seen in the way the president asked for a favour after reminding Mr Zelensky how much “effort” and “time” his government spent on aiding Ukraine.
Adam Schiff, a California Democrat and the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, also said the memo “reads like a classic mob shakedown”.
“Nice country you got there,” he quips. “It would be a shame if something happened to her.”
The White House described the memorandum as a “full, unredacted transcript” in Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham’s statement announcing its release. The document itself notes it is not a transcript, however.
The phone call gained controversy after it was reported a whistle-blower within the US intelligence community filed a complaint that at least partially involves the call between Mr Trump and Ukraine.
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Post by endorbr on Sept 25, 2019 19:07:41 GMT
It's a 5 page, redacted, memo. Not a transcript. and look what's in it: “I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine,” Mr Trump said on the phone call, according to the memorandum. “We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it’s something that should really ask them about.” “A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it’s something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine,” he continued. “I wouldn’t say that it’s reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.” Mr Trump then asks Mr Zelensky “to do us a favour”. He begins by immediately asking for an investigation surrounding the origins of the Russia investigation that clouded the first years of his presidency, commenting on the former special counsel’s “incompetent performance” the day prior. “Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible,” he said. He then urged the president of Ukraine to look into an alleged issue involving his 2020 rival Joe Biden — a move that was previously reported about the call and sparked swift outcry on Capitol Hill. “The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that,” Mr Trump said on the call. “So whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.” “It sounds horrible to me,” the president added. Trump called Pelosi and asked if they could 'work something out' While the memorandum was largely described as a transcript, some Democrats slammed the document as a “highly-edited memo” that failed to include key components of the 30 minute conversation that had somehow been boiled down into a five-page memorandum. “Trump did indeed bring up US aid to Ukraine and then asked their leader to investigate his political opponent,” Democrat Don Beyer wrote in a statement. “This document [is] not exculpatory,” he added, “it is a smoking gun.” Still, Democrats and others said the US’ financial leverage over the country could be seen in the way the president asked for a favour after reminding Mr Zelensky how much “effort” and “time” his government spent on aiding Ukraine. Adam Schiff, a California Democrat and the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, also said the memo “reads like a classic mob shakedown”. “Nice country you got there,” he quips. “It would be a shame if something happened to her.” The White House described the memorandum as a “full, unredacted transcript” in Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham’s statement announcing its release. The document itself notes it is not a transcript, however.
The phone call gained controversy after it was reported a whistle-blower within the US intelligence community filed a complaint that at least partially involves the call between Mr Trump and Ukraine. “Trump did indeed bring up US aid to Ukraine and then asked their leader to investigate his political opponent,” Democrat Don Beyer wrote in a statement. PROVE IT. This document says nothing of the sort. If they have something that says otherwise then lets see it. I will give you that a little further reading into the source of the document shows that it's not a verbatim transcript but a memorandum of the call from transcribers inside the room during the call. Unless there is some reliable proof to any conjecture of the idea that those note taking the call all lied in drafting this memo then that is meaningless unicorn dream fluff to fuel the outrage base who all hate Trump no matter what. I'm not going to get hung up on buzz words because asking for the Ukraine president "to do us a favour" doesn't mean anything outside the context of the rest of the phone call. I don't care how Democrats or media talking heads feel things could be perceived. I don't care about their feelings on it at all. They want to claim he's doing something wrong then show the proof. Don't point to editorialized versions of someone's interpretation of what they think he's "really" saying. So far this looks like pure (and very poorly executed) political theater. It's nobody's fault that Joe Biden is caught up in all this because of his son's involvement besides Joe Biden. I read the document and I'm not seeing anything of value to prove any kind of wrong doing because I didn't go into it assuming guilt or impropriety. The Democrats can hang their hat on this if they want but it's going to be another giant waste of everyone's time and it's going to have zero impact on anyone who hasn't already made up their mind about Trump in the end. And fuck Adam Schiff. That guy is a giant fucking idiot who loves to hear himself speak. He hasn't said one thing of value and has never been relevant. If every Democrat in the House all voted to impeach it's still going to get them nowhere. And that's assuming they could manage to get all 235 Democrats onboard, which is unlikely considering many of them know that their district wants nothing to do with this impeachment talk and a yes vote for impeachment would kill any chance they have at re-election. Even if they manage to pull the House votes, it requires a 2/3 majority in the Senate in order to actually remove Trump from office, meaning they would need to acquire 20 Republican votes to make it happen. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Sept 25, 2019 19:13:15 GMT
Yeah, I think I said that earlier. The Senate wouldn’t convict him if he killed a bitch on TV. But it’s still better to get on with this.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Sept 26, 2019 11:35:34 GMT
The Simpsons did it again
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Post by endorbr on Sept 26, 2019 12:33:24 GMT
The Simpsons did it again That girl has such a punchable face.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Sept 26, 2019 13:54:40 GMT
The Simpsons did it again That girl has such a punchable face. She looks kind of downs syndromy
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Post by TonberryKing on Sept 27, 2019 12:35:53 GMT
2016 - Trump is elected the 45th president of the United States. March 2019 - The Mueller investigation into Russian collusion concludes after two years and over $30 million in taxpayer funds and ultimately concludes with a big fat pile of nothing. March 2019 - Nancy Pelosi says Congress should not attempt to impeach president Trump. September 2019 - A "whistleblower" announces that Trump is colluding with the Ukraine in a "secret" phone call to steal the 2020 election. September 24, 2019 - Nancy Pelosi calls for an impeachment investigation of the president. September 25, 2019 - Trump releases the unredacted transcript of the phone call: Read the Trump-Ukraine phone call readout. It contains 5 pages of absolutely nothing unusual or incriminating. I'm pretty sure Nancy Pelosi is a deranged lunatic. Who escaped from an insane asylum and Changed her name.
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Post by endorbr on Sept 30, 2019 12:36:12 GMT
Saudi Arabia's MBS: War with Iran would collapse global economy "The region represents about 30 percent of the world's energy supplies, about 20 percent of global trade passages, about four percent of the world GDP (gross domestic product)," the crown prince, also known as MBS, said. "Imagine all of these three things stop. This means a total collapse of the global economy, and not just Saudi Arabia or the Middle East countries."
I think you’re VASTLY over estimating the Middle East’s importance to the rest of the world there, IBS. You and Iran have some beef to settle? Do it amongst yourselves and leave the rest of us out of it.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Sept 30, 2019 12:47:22 GMT
Saudi Arabia's MBS: War with Iran would collapse global economy "The region represents about 30 percent of the world's energy supplies, about 20 percent of global trade passages, about four percent of the world GDP (gross domestic product)," the crown prince, also known as MBS, said. "Imagine all of these three things stop. This means a total collapse of the global economy, and not just Saudi Arabia or the Middle East countries."
I think you’re VASTLY over estimating the Middle East’s importance to the rest of the world there, IBS. You and Iran have some beef to settle? Do it amongst yourselves and leave the rest of us out of it. The real issue is how much money the Saudis have invested here and how they could just about unilaterally wreck our economy. When I say energy independence I really mean we need to get off the Arabian tit.
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Oct 3, 2019 12:20:40 GMT
"Right-wing pastor Robert Jeffress appeared on Todd Starnes’ radio program yesterday, where the two agreed that Democrats do not worship the Christian God and may, in fact, worship the demon god Moloch." Alright, fellas, what have we learned? Who is Moloch? That's right. Dormin aka Nimrod.Add liberalism to the list of things Video Games cause.
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Post by endorbr on Oct 3, 2019 13:45:01 GMT
"Right-wing pastor Robert Jeffress appeared on Todd Starnes’ radio program yesterday, where the two agreed that Democrats do not worship the Christian God and may, in fact, worship the demon god Moloch." Alright, fellas, what have we learned? Who is Moloch? That's right. Dormin aka Nimrod.Add liberalism to the list of things Video Games cause. Right wing crazies are just as not helpful as left wing crazies when it comes to talking anything sensible.
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Post by endorbr on Oct 8, 2019 19:44:44 GMT
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Post by Uesugi-dono on Oct 9, 2019 7:52:28 GMT
I'm pretty sure the cheating is what killed her marriage. That it was reported matters not at all. The truth always seems to come out in cases like this. You fucked another woman's husband, repeatedly. She found out. You suck. You deserve pain.
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Post by endorbr on Oct 10, 2019 14:00:15 GMT
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